It has finally happened a brindle pug in the ring in Canada!
Just curious to know since most of the show people on this site are American, how people feel about a brindle pug being shown in the ring last weekend in Canada and awarded a 1st place ribbon in it's class?
This has caused a huge upset in the pug community and I have been told that the AKC is having an emergency meeting to look at revisitng the wording of the standard. My understanding is that a brindle pug in not allowed in the ring in America period !
Is this correct?
In Canada our National club is still trying to figure out what they are going to do about this, but aparently letters will be sent out to all the judges to educate them about the Canadian breed standard which does not disqualify brindle as a color.
The brindles came from a breeder in the USA and are AKC and CKC registered I saw the papers with my own eyes (the owner also said that the dogs were DNA tested.)
She has 2 brinde pugs entered in the Lower Mainland Dog Fancier, show at the end of the month, the biggest dog show in Canada. If they are not excused from the ring there is a chance, even if it is a slim chance, that one (or both) could get a Canadian Championship as there are 3 specialties at that show
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I'd like to hear from people about there thought on this.
Answers:
It has caused a huge upset because the brindle gene does not exist in Pugs. The Canadian Pug breeders are upset because it is not possible to have a brindle purebred Pug and must have had the brindle gene introduced via a Boston or Frenchie.
The standard doesn't specifically disqualify brindle, just as it doesn't disqualify blue merle or harlequin. LOL! It is not an accepted color in the standard as purebred Pugs STILL do not carry the gene for brindle, nor will they next month.
The 'win' was actually 1st in a puppy class of one. People are upset because the dog wasn't excused, but the judge is a foreigner and obviously didn't know the standard.
I seriously doubt the AKC is having an emergency meeting to revise the standard because some foreign judge doesn' t know the Canadian standard. Especially considering the AKC has nothing to do with writing standards, the breed clubs write them.
Adoption-
So you think this is some genetic throwback to some long lost brindle carrying dog? LOL! Don't you think brindle would have appeared before now? Especially considering brindle is a DOMINANT gene? Jeeez people, take a class!
Meggz-
I have been showing in Canada for 30 years and have NEVER seen a white Dobe in the ring, and that is one of the breeds I often watch. I highly doubt it is listed as an acceptable color in the Canadian standard.
I guess for me I don't see what the problem is. Brindle is a color. If the dogs are AKC and/or CKC registered, then what is the issue? And please don't say it has to do with Pug's not carrying the brindle gene so therefore regardless of the papers it's not a pure-breed dog. Like it or not, NO dog is pure-breed and I don't care what your papers say. All breeds of dogs are results of mix breeding and genetic alterations. Granted some maybe from 100 or even 1000 years ago but what makes your dog any better than the newer genetically altered dog? I love Pugs and I own quite a few but who cares what color they are?? Really? What is the real issue? Are those of you with the typical fawn or black colored pugs afraid the brindle pug is gonna beat yours?
I"ve never seen a brindle pug before, and as far as I know, it doesn't fit the AKC standards, which state fawn, silver or black. If they could prove that the pug hadn't been altered or cross-bred in some way, then I guess the AKC would have to accept it, but it sounds like it's going to be a long fight.
It is admirable for you to inquire. I know little to nothing of pug colors accepted or not. But got to the Pug Dog Club of America or something like that in your google search and look it up. I am a purebred fancier, although I am someone who believes OUR FANCIED PUREBREDS all came from a mixture of dogs to obtain a breed. Today people are making the designer dog, fancied by many and rejected by others. I do not agree with people trying to convince other of a "purebred laberdoodle", but I also do not care either way what they breed. I will continue to own a purebreds. Back to your question, sorry I ramble, I have seen an outburst of brindle pugs in Alaska. I am not sure why. There are black pugs, and a lot of black breeds can be a "reverse" brindle and until someone gentically investigates the issue extensively I would not rule out a ressesive gene. But honestly I do not know either way. Someone could have bred to another breed like a Boston, fudged the paper, got registered pugs and voila! Brindle pugs. If you have a brindle pug, love it! It is still a little fur buddy that loves you. If you want a brindle pug because it may become a cute fad like any other designer dog, remember that it is still a dog at the end of the day. Good luck.
Well geeeeeeeeeze.the BLANKETY judge should NEVER be hired again-BY ANYBODY! What an IDIOT!
One can only PRAY that the other judges have their BRAINS (%26 BALLS!) attached %26 DUMP the TRASH where it BELONGS! The stupidity of one IDIOT won't effect the rest of the (intelligent) world!
I've done CKC %26 -no offence intended-LOTZ of Canadian judges couldn't find a GOOD dog in a ONE-ENTRY class!! Some AKC judges are nitwits too,of course-LOL!!
Every kennel club is different and I don't find the Canadian one to be a high quality. They allow they showing of white dobies as well, which is a genetic mutation effecting pigmentation, also white are known to have more health issues along with behavioral issues (in dobies, whites tend to loose their sight and can become very aggressive). I personally do not feel the brindle pug should be shown. One of the other responders was correct in that this color allele does not occur in the purebred pug population, it had to be introduced from another breed.
Here in the US you can show a brindle pug in AKC events. BUT, the dog won't win if it's up against anything with 4 legs. It isn't the preferred color for a show dog. The same goes for white and platinum pugs. And with the AKC the dog must be DNA tested to accumulate any points, so that would rule out any mixed breeds. UNLESS, the mix was added in several generations back and it can't be detected, because the pug doesn't carry the brindle gene. (This is the common idea)
Just curious to know since most of the show people on this site are American, how people feel about a brindle pug being shown in the ring last weekend in Canada and awarded a 1st place ribbon in it's class?
This has caused a huge upset in the pug community and I have been told that the AKC is having an emergency meeting to look at revisitng the wording of the standard. My understanding is that a brindle pug in not allowed in the ring in America period !
Is this correct?
In Canada our National club is still trying to figure out what they are going to do about this, but aparently letters will be sent out to all the judges to educate them about the Canadian breed standard which does not disqualify brindle as a color.
The brindles came from a breeder in the USA and are AKC and CKC registered I saw the papers with my own eyes (the owner also said that the dogs were DNA tested.)
She has 2 brinde pugs entered in the Lower Mainland Dog Fancier, show at the end of the month, the biggest dog show in Canada. If they are not excused from the ring there is a chance, even if it is a slim chance, that one (or both) could get a Canadian Championship as there are 3 specialties at that show
.
I'd like to hear from people about there thought on this.
Answers:
It has caused a huge upset because the brindle gene does not exist in Pugs. The Canadian Pug breeders are upset because it is not possible to have a brindle purebred Pug and must have had the brindle gene introduced via a Boston or Frenchie.
The standard doesn't specifically disqualify brindle, just as it doesn't disqualify blue merle or harlequin. LOL! It is not an accepted color in the standard as purebred Pugs STILL do not carry the gene for brindle, nor will they next month.
The 'win' was actually 1st in a puppy class of one. People are upset because the dog wasn't excused, but the judge is a foreigner and obviously didn't know the standard.
I seriously doubt the AKC is having an emergency meeting to revise the standard because some foreign judge doesn' t know the Canadian standard. Especially considering the AKC has nothing to do with writing standards, the breed clubs write them.
Adoption-
So you think this is some genetic throwback to some long lost brindle carrying dog? LOL! Don't you think brindle would have appeared before now? Especially considering brindle is a DOMINANT gene? Jeeez people, take a class!
Meggz-
I have been showing in Canada for 30 years and have NEVER seen a white Dobe in the ring, and that is one of the breeds I often watch. I highly doubt it is listed as an acceptable color in the Canadian standard.
I guess for me I don't see what the problem is. Brindle is a color. If the dogs are AKC and/or CKC registered, then what is the issue? And please don't say it has to do with Pug's not carrying the brindle gene so therefore regardless of the papers it's not a pure-breed dog. Like it or not, NO dog is pure-breed and I don't care what your papers say. All breeds of dogs are results of mix breeding and genetic alterations. Granted some maybe from 100 or even 1000 years ago but what makes your dog any better than the newer genetically altered dog? I love Pugs and I own quite a few but who cares what color they are?? Really? What is the real issue? Are those of you with the typical fawn or black colored pugs afraid the brindle pug is gonna beat yours?
I"ve never seen a brindle pug before, and as far as I know, it doesn't fit the AKC standards, which state fawn, silver or black. If they could prove that the pug hadn't been altered or cross-bred in some way, then I guess the AKC would have to accept it, but it sounds like it's going to be a long fight.
It is admirable for you to inquire. I know little to nothing of pug colors accepted or not. But got to the Pug Dog Club of America or something like that in your google search and look it up. I am a purebred fancier, although I am someone who believes OUR FANCIED PUREBREDS all came from a mixture of dogs to obtain a breed. Today people are making the designer dog, fancied by many and rejected by others. I do not agree with people trying to convince other of a "purebred laberdoodle", but I also do not care either way what they breed. I will continue to own a purebreds. Back to your question, sorry I ramble, I have seen an outburst of brindle pugs in Alaska. I am not sure why. There are black pugs, and a lot of black breeds can be a "reverse" brindle and until someone gentically investigates the issue extensively I would not rule out a ressesive gene. But honestly I do not know either way. Someone could have bred to another breed like a Boston, fudged the paper, got registered pugs and voila! Brindle pugs. If you have a brindle pug, love it! It is still a little fur buddy that loves you. If you want a brindle pug because it may become a cute fad like any other designer dog, remember that it is still a dog at the end of the day. Good luck.
Well geeeeeeeeeze.the BLANKETY judge should NEVER be hired again-BY ANYBODY! What an IDIOT!
One can only PRAY that the other judges have their BRAINS (%26 BALLS!) attached %26 DUMP the TRASH where it BELONGS! The stupidity of one IDIOT won't effect the rest of the (intelligent) world!
I've done CKC %26 -no offence intended-LOTZ of Canadian judges couldn't find a GOOD dog in a ONE-ENTRY class!! Some AKC judges are nitwits too,of course-LOL!!
Every kennel club is different and I don't find the Canadian one to be a high quality. They allow they showing of white dobies as well, which is a genetic mutation effecting pigmentation, also white are known to have more health issues along with behavioral issues (in dobies, whites tend to loose their sight and can become very aggressive). I personally do not feel the brindle pug should be shown. One of the other responders was correct in that this color allele does not occur in the purebred pug population, it had to be introduced from another breed.
Here in the US you can show a brindle pug in AKC events. BUT, the dog won't win if it's up against anything with 4 legs. It isn't the preferred color for a show dog. The same goes for white and platinum pugs. And with the AKC the dog must be DNA tested to accumulate any points, so that would rule out any mixed breeds. UNLESS, the mix was added in several generations back and it can't be detected, because the pug doesn't carry the brindle gene. (This is the common idea)
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